Sat Sri Akal,

Il go first for the discussion. Basically during Vaisaki in 2008 I was curious as to what its all about, so did some research on the internet. From this i found out about the teachings of the guru's and the sacrifices that had been made. I shared many of the values as Sikhs and to be honest couldnt stop reading about the beauty of the Skhism. After around 6 months i decided to visit a Gurdwara for the first time. It didnt go as well as i hoped as it was a community Gurdwara and nobody spoke English lol. Well that didnt put me off and i managed to find a Gurdwara that i now visit on a weekly basis. I find the Gurdwara a very spiritual place, and enjoy sitting listening to readings of the holy Guru Granth Sahib, thinking about the beauty of Waheguru. However im finding the experience a little isolating as I dont know who to approach in the Gurdwara for more information. I have been learning punjabi for the last 3 months and Im slowly coming along with that ( i can read it no problem, just dont know what it means lol). Just wondering what other people's experiences of visiting Gurdwaras have been?? Id like to learn more about Sikhism and start to follow it more as a Sikh but dont know where to start. All i know is that every time im at the Gurdwara i feel completely at peace and that its the place where i belong (even if i get a few stares lol). If you could share your experiences it would be warmly welcome

Sat Sri Akal

Jason

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Sat Sri Akal Jason,

Firstly, I'd like to thank you for dropping by and sharing your experience with us. Thanks for your time!
Well done on learning Punjabi. I found Punjabi the hardest language ever. I speak 4 languages bt this one is the hardest.

I know what you mean by "isolating experience". I've been there. I always wanted someone to come to me and talk to me but it means you have to make 1st step or 2nd or 3rd yourself.

I had discussions with pure sikhs and in general they are happy to see gora in the gurudwara. They are shy as well. I'm sure if you come to Baba ji and ask for help in learning about Sikhi... or Are you from Birmingham?
Do you want I try to find some sikh from this area? Which gurudwara you are visiting? My suggestion is to use facebook and go to Sikh groups and leave a message there?

Do you want I do it on your behalf?
Waiting for your reply.

Yours, Gori Sikh
Hi

Yes i currently live in Birmingham and attend the Gurdwara on Soho Road. If you could recommend any local groups of people i would find it very beneficial. I have tried leaving messages on facebook/gumtree but to no avail

Thank you for all your help

Jason

Desilegend said:
Sat Sri Akal Jason,

Firstly, I'd like to thank you for dropping by and sharing your experience with us. Thanks for your time!
Well done on learning Punjabi. I found Punjabi the hardest language ever. I speak 4 languages bt this one is the hardest.

I know what you mean by "isolating experience". I've been there. I always wanted someone to come to me and talk to me but it means you have to make 1st step or 2nd or 3rd yourself.

I had discussions with pure sikhs and in general they are happy to see gora in the gurudwara. They are shy as well. I'm sure if you come to Baba ji and ask for help in learning about Sikhi... or Are you from Birmingham?
Do you want I try to find some sikh from this area? Which gurudwara you are visiting? My suggestion is to use facebook and go to Sikh groups and leave a message there?

Do you want I do it on your behalf?
Waiting for your reply.

Yours, Gori Sikh
About 15 years ago, after my grandmother's death, I was going through her papers looking at family history stuff. Well to my surprise I found out that my Great Grandmother was from India and that she was Sikh. I have always been interested in religious studies and was aware that Sikhs existed. As I became more informed, I began to attend Gurdwara here in Kent WA and found that I was completely comfortable with the Sikh way. It had taken me 40 years to find a spiritual path that I could follow unreservedly, but I am content now.
sat sri akal jason

i really appreciate ur efforts of learning more about sikhism and punjabi language.
yes u r absolutely right, even i feel peace whenever i visit gurudwara. so u want to know more about sikhism.
well sikhism is not just a religion is a discipline to live life in accordance to the gods will. In sikhism god does not mean Guru Nanak or Guru Gobind Singh but by saying god we mean that invisible power which is there in everything, which is common to everyone, a god which prevails in each one of us, all humans being equal in his eyes.
Sikhism as we all know started by Guru Nanak who himself was born in Hindu family but never accepted Hinduism as his religion. They said neither i am a Muslim nor an Hindu".
At the time of guru Nanak the Hindus were in majority and the society was bound in the shackles of caste system, differences in males and females(womens being considered low), different gods for different communities like Allah for Muslims, ram or shiv for Hindus or budh etc. People being unfaithful and all. To remove all these differences Sikhism came into existence. In sikhism we believe in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji(the holy sikh scripture also the 11th guru of the sikhs) in which are the writings of sikh gurus and also of many other hindu and muslim saints who all spoke about the one god wahegure.
The main message in in SGGS can be summaried as:
1 All Peoples of the World are Equal
2 Women as Equals
3 One God for All
4 Speak and Live Truthfully
5 Control the Five Vices
6 Live in God's Hukam
7 Practise Humility, Kindness, Compassion, Love, etc

i will be writing more next time.

sat sri akal.

prabhjot
Thank you for your kind words and encouragement

prabhjot singh sran said:
sat sri akal jason

i really appreciate ur efforts of learning more about sikhism and punjabi language.
yes u r absolutely right, even i feel peace whenever i visit gurudwara. so u want to know more about sikhism.
well sikhism is not just a religion is a discipline to live life in accordance to the gods will. In sikhism god does not mean Guru Nanak or Guru Gobind Singh but by saying god we mean that invisible power which is there in everything, which is common to everyone, a god which prevails in each one of us, all humans being equal in his eyes.
Sikhism as we all know started by Guru Nanak who himself was born in Hindu family but never accepted Hinduism as his religion. They said neither i am a Muslim nor an Hindu".
At the time of guru Nanak the Hindus were in majority and the society was bound in the shackles of caste system, differences in males and females(womens being considered low), different gods for different communities like Allah for Muslims, ram or shiv for Hindus or budh etc. People being unfaithful and all. To remove all these differences Sikhism came into existence. In sikhism we believe in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji(the holy sikh scripture also the 11th guru of the sikhs) in which are the writings of sikh gurus and also of many other hindu and muslim saints who all spoke about the one god wahegure.
The main message in in SGGS can be summaried as:
1 All Peoples of the World are Equal
2 Women as Equals
3 One God for All
4 Speak and Live Truthfully
5 Control the Five Vices
6 Live in God's Hukam
7 Practise Humility, Kindness, Compassion, Love, etc

i will be writing more next time.

sat sri akal.

prabhjot
ur welcome:-)
Sat Sri Akal
I think that a forum for Gora is an excellent idea, i read a lot on the internet from newcomers to Sikhism saying how difficult it is ti follow up an initial interst in Sikhi and find a sense of community to share. So as briefly as i can here is my experience- I have long sought the meaning of everything both in experiencing different spiritual paths as well as studying Philosophy at University. My family and upbringing has always been encouraging and non dogmatic, my Grandmothers Anglican, my fathers an atheist and for a while my mother was a spiritualist. I can remember from my very early years craving to find and know God, however Christianity didnt work for me. So I read about as many spiritual paths as I could and I, eventualy i found Buddhism which seemed to have the most answers but never completely satisfied me and so there i was 3 or 4 years ago concluding that I would have to define faith for myself as no existing religion quite fit me. Then i had a dream that i had made new friends although i couldnt tell much about them in that strange way of dreams but at the end of the dream i realised i was standing with this friends next to a mirror and when i looked into the mirror i was wearing a turban and my friends were Sikhs. This dream was odd and yet inspiring so i began researching Sikhi on the internet and realised i had been a Sikh my whole life but no one had ever told me. I craved learning more and finding community for about a year, when my wife told me their was a Sikh at her work whos mother was coordinating Gurmuki classes and if i liked i could call her and arange to join one of the beginner classes. Which i did so far its greatest benifit has been helping me meet Sikhs and make new friends, as sadly i must be the worlds worst Gurmukhi student but i still press on and will master it if it takes a lifetime. I have been continualy amazed by how friendly and supportive the Sikhs i meet are, although some are obviously a little bemused by this stranger with an obsession for Sikhi. I love the community spirit and selflessness of the Langar, and am only sad that the only Gurudwara in Brisbane is so far from me that i am unable to be there as often as i wish.
Sikhi is at the begining of its transition from a universal message from the Punjab to a universal message seen and heard by the world and we are among the first generations creating the bridge into the world wide community. Something we all can and should encourage Sikhi dosnt and shouldnt try to convert but it needs to be ready with answers and assistance when people come knocking at its door. I have found Sikhs to be open and friendly to those who seek them out but there are still many hurdles like language that visitor needs to overcome.
So Gora need to help each other as much as possible especially as we are still relatively few and scattered across the world, so anyone who finds themselves in Brisbane Australia looking to find a bridge to other Sikhs please post an inquiery here i will try to regularly check back. Or send an E-mail to Eomersweet@hotmail.com

Sat Sri Akal
Dear Eomer!

Thanks for sharing your story!
You are always welcome to Gora Sikhs.

One thing I wanted to say that I'm like you "realised i had been a Sikh my whole life but no one had ever told me" and I'm sure there are many people like us.

Eomer Sweet said:
Sat Sri Akal
I can remember from my very early years craving to find and know God, however Christianity didnt work for me. So I read about as many spiritual paths as I could and I, eventualy i found Buddhism which seemed to have the most answers but never completely satisfied me and so there i was 3 or 4 years ago concluding that I would have to define faith for myself as no existing religion quite fit me. Then i had a dream that i had made new friends although i couldnt tell much about them in that strange way of dreams but at the end of the dream i realised i was standing with this friends next to a mirror and when i looked into the mirror i was wearing a turban and my friends were Sikhs. This dream was odd and yet inspiring so i began researching Sikhi on the internet and realised i had been a Sikh my whole life but no one had ever told me. I craved learning more and finding community for about a year, when my wife told me their was a Sikh at her work whos mother was coordinating Gurmuki classes and if i liked i could call her and arange to join one of the beginner classes. Which i did so far its greatest benifit has been helping me meet Sikhs and make new friends, as sadly i must be the worlds worst Gurmukhi student but i still press on and will master it if it takes a lifetime. I have been continualy amazed by how friendly and supportive the Sikhs i meet are, although some are obviously a little bemused by this stranger with an obsession for Sikhi. I love the community spirit and selflessness of the Langar, and am only sad that the only Gurudwara in Brisbane is so far from me that i am unable to be there as often as i wish.
Sikhi is at the begining of its transition from a universal message from the Punjab to a universal message seen and heard by the world and we are among the first generations creating the bridge into the world wide community. Something we all can and should encourage Sikhi dosnt and shouldnt try to convert but it needs to be ready with answers and assistance when people come knocking at its door. I have found Sikhs to be open and friendly to those who seek them out but there are still many hurdles like language that visitor needs to overcome.
Sat sri akaal to all my GORA Bros n Sis ,

i enjoyed reading all post Jason ,Danka ,E Sweet,Amrit kaur ji ,Tamara ,Prabhjot ji .

Welcome to All new Sikhz .

my respected frnd Shawn from Texas , when found Guru Granth Sahib by chance said the following words ,


This book introduced me to the Siri Guru Granth Sahib, which I subsequently downloaded in its entirety and have been devouring for a couple of weeks. I consider this book to be the most profound I have ever read. I can read it the rest of my life and still not scratch the surface of its profound message. Wow! Me, 50 years old and never investigated the Sikh way of life as put forth in this wonderful book. I've read and studied the Torah and Talmud, the Upanishads, the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, the Qur'an, Sufi writings, Bahai teachings, the Christian bible, the words of Dali Lama, the I-Ching, as addition to practicing my grandfather's Lakota ways, yoga, and the spiritual aspects of martial arts. Well, better late than never. I have searched my whole life for a teaching such as found in this book, a way to help me get back to my creator ...
Source Sikhnet



Sat nam sri wahe guru ji
Hi Jason, I know you posted this a while ago, but I read that you go to the Gurdwara on Soho Road. Is this the very large Guru Nanak Nishkam Sevak Jatha Gurdwara? If so thats great because this is probably one of the best Gurdwaras for a new Sikh. Basically, what you want to do is ask for the person known as 'Bhai Sahib' (His full name is Bhai Sahib Mohinder Singh ji), he is basically like the lead sevadar (person who performs service of the gurdwara) of the Gurdwara, and is a very knowledgble and highly spiritual Gursikh. He speaks english fluently and will be very happy to help you in any way. If you don't know who to ask in the Gurdwara you can always phone them up the Gurdwara and explain your situation and say that you would like to speak to him.
here is a video of bhai sahib http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omCpLbe9zuM

squid singh said:
Sat sri akaal to all my GORA Bros n Sis ,

i enjoyed reading all post Jason ,Danka ,E Sweet,Amrit kaur ji ,Tamara ,Prabhjot ji .

Welcome to All new Sikhz .

my respected frnd Shawn from Texas , when found Guru Granth Sahib by chance said the following words ,


This book introduced me to the Siri Guru Granth Sahib, which I subsequently downloaded in its entirety and have been devouring for a couple of weeks. I consider this book to be the most profound I have ever read. I can read it the rest of my life and still not scratch the surface of its profound message. Wow! Me, 50 years old and never investigated the Sikh way of life as put forth in this wonderful book. I've read and studied the Torah and Talmud, the Upanishads, the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, the Qur'an, Sufi writings, Bahai teachings, the Christian bible, the words of Dali Lama, the I-Ching, as addition to practicing my grandfather's Lakota ways, yoga, and the spiritual aspects of martial arts. Well, better late than never. I have searched my whole life for a teaching such as found in this book, a way to help me get back to my creator ...
Source Sikhnet



Sat nam sri wahe guru ji
Sath Sri Akaal Jason,

How wonderful to learn that others are out there that are going through the same experiences. I too "converted" to Sikhism 4 years ago and I STILL find it daunting to go to the Gurdwara alone! So well done for that. I really set where Sikhism evolved from I found that reading "The Sikh Religion" by Max Macauliffe absolutely amazing. I am lucky that I work with a lot of Punjabi Sikhs and am offered many opportunities to learn key words but have to admit that I am dreadful at speaking the language. Where did you learn? I would be interested to learn it properly.
WKWF,

Kelli Ji,

To be a good Sikh doesn't means one must know Punjabi. Yes, if someone learns a new language then certainly it's not bad. But to be a true and honest Sikh one must follow the "52 Hukams" or the "52 Sermons" which our tenth Master Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave to the Khalsas which ought to be followed strictly by us. So, language is not a barrier to be a Guru's Sikh. Guru Granth Sahib Ji, these days are available in English, Spanish, etc. languages so that it becomes easier for the non-Punjabi world to understand.

WKWF.

Kelli said:
Sath Sri Akaal Jason,

How wonderful to learn that others are out there that are going through the same experiences. I too "converted" to Sikhism 4 years ago and I STILL find it daunting to go to the Gurdwara alone! So well done for that. I really set where Sikhism evolved from I found that reading "The Sikh Religion" by Max Macauliffe absolutely amazing. I am lucky that I work with a lot of Punjabi Sikhs and am offered many opportunities to learn key words but have to admit that I am dreadful at speaking the language. Where did you learn? I would be interested to learn it properly.

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